Re: Amusing discussion of 3.2

[Zenny <garbytrash@xxxxxxxxx>]

David's opinion in this link
(https://plus.google.com/101384639386588513837/posts/Dkb8iixE4eP) is
as archaic as what monotheists advocated some thousand years ago.

Such an opinion is to discourage innovation. Diversity is the crux of
sustainability and evolution. It is like asking why you eat oranges
when there are plenty of apples? Because every variant have their own
charm in a diverse world!

Thumbs up to dragnonflybsd team! Keep up your spirit. I am eager to
witness HAMMER2 ;-)

On 11/8/12, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bodzar@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Carsten Mattner
> <carstenmattner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Tomas Bodzar <tomas.bodzar@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Carsten Mattner
>>> <carstenmattner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Linux kernel network subsystem and sparc architecture maintainer
>>>> David Miller started a funny discussion on Google Plus at
>>>> https://plus.google.com/101384639386588513837/posts/Dkb8iixE4eP
>>>>
>>>> The discussion is amusing and also interesting but I have to wonder
>>>> why not a single person said the obvious that it's not GPL licensed
>>>> and that's one major reason attracting developers and user to the BSDs.
>>>
>>> That's because he's one of army of "clever" guys from RH and similar
>>> projects which are behaving like dictators and starting to not care
>>> even about other Linux distros, not even about something "out of
>>> scope" like BSDs or any other OS project out there.
>>>
>>> Much more interesting debate (including INTERESTING links) started
>>> here http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=135220552521529&w=2
>>
>> Interesting discussion and I think I can agree with the sentiments there,
>> but my interest in David's post is that he did care at all and did in
>> a way that's hard to understand coming from an open source developer.
>> It's much easier to understand comments for new OpenBSD releases
>> like "10 years after Linux OpenBSD kernel gains X". This "why does he
>> spend his time optimizing dfly" looks like a joke but I think he means
>> it.
>
> He and a lot of others however really means it because they can feel
> "power" and can shout from behind of coverage of some company. Seems
> like similar people lost idea about history of Unix, BSD and
> especially Linux and its reason for born and what does open source
> community really means. It's however becoming more and more visible
> and I'm really interested how that will end.
>
> For those who doesn't want through OpenBSD mailing list you can read
> views from Linux comunity here (I mean views which understand that
> problem)
>
> http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/
> (Gtk, Gnome, Ubuntu, RH bad behavior....)
> http://lwn.net/Articles/520892/ (Gnome clash with other Linuxes and
> OpenBSD (BSD))
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?idP6
> (RedHat removing support for older ATI cards from Xorg for any distro)
> (btw how about cooperation of Dfly and NetBSD on KMS, any progress?)
> http://lwn.net/Articles/512719/ (Debian, Gentoo, Sabayon trying fight to
> back)
> http://www.h-online.com/open/features/GNOME-from-abyss-to-common-ground-1667974.html
> (quite a long reading about Gnome, but interesting)
>
> That's why I'm not surprised about Espie's comments on autoconf
> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20100310215559 or new theme
> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#52 as something really bad is
> getting momentum and speed in open source world. Can't say much about
> Dfly, but I know couple of long time Linux users or devs of some apps
> moving to it or considering move to Dfly or other BSDs (as I already
> helped some of them and some are considering switch), some new users
> coming from Linux after years on OBSD as well. I think that good time
> for new start of BSD is coming thanks to this as long as we will not
> be trying just to be like Linux or copy Linux. Right, compatible as
> much as possible with them or other Unix-like systems, but not be just
> another copy, but doing some things simply better. It seems to be
> working for those long time Linux users and that's good because in the
> end those are doing that important hard work and as Antoine is good
> example of OpenBSD developer (member of Gnome project in same time,
> just seems like other members of Gnome project doesn't have idea how
> much instances of Gnome is running on OpenBSD) doing something which
> probably not much of you know about BSD on desktop and real use as
> desktop and of course network server device in big companies :
>
> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110420080633 (Puffy in
> the corporate aquarium)
> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20121026064602 (Their Thin
> client solution based on OpenBSD for those big companies)
> http://opensource.mtier.org/zbx.html (or Zabbix mobile client for
> Apple/Android platforms)
>
>
> And as another examples there was some talk about NetBSD usermode and
> some OS for tables on last EuroBSDcon, however still not saw papers
> about it.
>