Re: DragonFly GNOME and KDE4 meta packages

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk <m.e.sanliturk@xxxxxxxxx>]

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM, John Marino <dragonflybsd@marino.st>wrote:

> On 10/22/2012 21:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>
>> Dear All ,
>> In
>> http://mirror-master.**dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_**
>> 64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-**2012Q2/All/<http://mirror-master.dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-2012Q2/All/>
>> there is a package "kde-3.5.10.tgz" :
>> http://mirror-master.**dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_**
>> 64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-**2012Q2/All/kde-3.5.10.tgz<http://mirror-master.dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-2012Q2/All/kde-3.5.10.tgz>
>> It seems that it is a "meta" package .
>> As a corresponding package , such a package does NOT exist for GNOME .
>> Such a package exists in
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/meta-**
>> pkgs/gnome/README.html<http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/meta-pkgs/gnome/README.html>
>> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/**
>> 5.1_2012Q1/All/gnome-2.26.**2nb4.tgz<ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/5.1_2012Q1/All/gnome-2.26.2nb4.tgz>
>> ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/**
>> 5.1_2012Q2/All/gnome-2.26.**2nb4.tgz<ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/5.1_2012Q2/All/gnome-2.26.2nb4.tgz>
>> Without such a meta package , to install GNOME is difficult : By using
>> individual packages ,
>> it fetches the same depending packages many times which shows that some
>> install tries are redundant but it is
>> not known which ones .
>>
>> ..............................
>>
>> In
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/**6.0/All/<http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/>
>> there are the following packages which are missing in DragonFly :
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/**
>> 6.0/All/kde4-4.8.4.tgz<http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/kde4-4.8.4.tgz>
>> http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/**pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/**
>> 6.0/All/k3b-2.0.2nb6.tgz<http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/k3b-2.0.2nb6.tgz>
>> The following points are very important :
>> (1) K3b-2.0.*.tgz is important for backup requirements
>> (2) kde 4 is able to save the session on shutdown and
>>      then restore it on new login
>> (3) Auto-mount of removable devices>
>>
>
> A meta package only generates if every single package of the meta package
> is built, I believe.  On DragonFly, this is the case for KDE3 and KDE4
> (normally), but it is not the case for gnome.  Frankly, I'd consider other
> desktops, Gnome is getting harder and harder to support each passing month.
>
> k3b-2.0 has never built.  Feel free to submit a patch to fix it.  It was
> listed in the "top 10 packages to fix" a few months ago.
>
> John
>


Unfortunately , at present , my knowledge is NOT sufficient to supply such
a patch .

Actually , for me , KDE4 is much better than GNOME . Personally I am using
KDE4 in Linux because they are mostly supplying the above mentioned 3
facilities on normal install .

In *BSD operating systems , due to non-root user  privileges not allowing
auto-mount of
removable devices and difficulty to set parameters , use of KDE 4 is very
difficult for me when it exists , and when it does not exist in a *BSD ,
that *BSD is not not usable for me .


Other window managers are not saving session on shutdown and restore it on
new login ( with respect to my knowledge ) .

Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM, John M=
arino <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dragonflybsd@marino.st"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">dragonflybsd@marino.st</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
On 10/22/2012 21:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear All ,<br>
In<br>
<a href=3D"http://mirror-master.dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_64/DragonFly-=
3.1/pkgsrc-2012Q2/All/" target=3D"_blank">http://mirror-master.<u></u>drago=
nflybsd.org/packages/x86_<u></u>64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-<u></u>2012Q2/All/<=
/a><br>

there is a package &quot;kde-3.5.10.tgz&quot; :<br>
<a href=3D"http://mirror-master.dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_64/DragonFly-=
3.1/pkgsrc-2012Q2/All/kde-3.5.10.tgz" target=3D"_blank">http://mirror-maste=
r.<u></u>dragonflybsd.org/packages/x86_<u></u>64/DragonFly-3.1/pkgsrc-<u></=
u>2012Q2/All/kde-3.5.10.tgz</a><br>

It seems that it is a &quot;meta&quot; package .<br>
As a corresponding package , such a package does NOT exist for GNOME .<br>
Such a package exists in<br>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/meta-pkgs/gnome/=
README.html" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u>pkgsrc/curr=
ent/pkgsrc/meta-<u></u>pkgs/gnome/README.html</a><br>
<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/5.1_2012Q1=
/All/gnome-2.26.2nb4.tgz" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u=
>pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/<u></u>5.1_2012Q1/All/gnome-2.26.<u></u>2nb4.=
tgz</a><br>

<a href=3D"ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/5.1_2012Q2=
/All/gnome-2.26.2nb4.tgz" target=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u=
>pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/<u></u>5.1_2012Q2/All/gnome-2.26.<u></u>2nb4.=
tgz</a><br>

Without such a meta package , to install GNOME is difficult : By using<br>
individual packages ,<br>
it fetches the same depending packages many times which shows that some<br>
install tries are redundant but it is<br>
not known which ones .<br>
<br>
..............................<br>
<br>
In<br>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u>pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/=
amd64/<u></u>6.0/All/</a><br>
there are the following packages which are missing in DragonFly :<br>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/k=
de4-4.8.4.tgz" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u>pkgsrc/pa=
ckages/NetBSD/amd64/<u></u>6.0/All/kde4-4.8.4.tgz</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/NetBSD/amd64/6.0/All/k=
3b-2.0.2nb6.tgz" target=3D"_blank">http://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/<u></u>pkgsrc/=
packages/NetBSD/amd64/<u></u>6.0/All/k3b-2.0.2nb6.tgz</a><br>
The following points are very important :<br>
(1) K3b-2.0.*.tgz is important for backup requirements<br>
(2) kde 4 is able to save the session on shutdown and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0then restore it on new login<br>
(3) Auto-mount of removable devices&gt;<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
A meta package only generates if every single package of the meta package i=
s built, I believe. =C2=A0On DragonFly, this is the case for KDE3 and KDE4 =
(normally), but it is not the case for gnome. =C2=A0Frankly, I&#39;d consid=
er other desktops, Gnome is getting harder and harder to support each passi=
ng month.<br>

<br>
k3b-2.0 has never built. =C2=A0Feel free to submit a patch to fix it. =C2=
=A0It was listed in the &quot;top 10 packages to fix&quot; a few months ago=
.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
John<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>Unfortunately , at present , my kn=
owledge is NOT sufficient to supply such a patch .<br><br>Actually , for me=
 , KDE4 is much better than GNOME . Personally I am using KDE4 in Linux bec=
ause they are mostly supplying the above mentioned 3 facilities on normal i=
nstall .<br>
<br>In *BSD operating systems , due to non-root user=C2=A0 privileges not a=
llowing auto-mount of <br>removable devices and difficulty to set parameter=
s , use of KDE 4 is very difficult for me when it exists , and when it does=
 not exist in a *BSD , that *BSD is not not usable for me .<br>
<br><br>Other window managers are not saving session on shutdown and restor=
e it on new login ( with respect to my knowledge ) .<br><br>Thank you very =
much .<br><br>Mehmet Erol Sanliturk<br><br><br><br>

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