Re: DragonFly BSD wiki

["Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Todd Willey wrote:
> Sorry I havne't gotten back to you on this earlier, but I think this
> should all be rolled into GoBSD.  With as few people as are working on
> documentation and user-friendliness, we need to concentrate our
> efforts in one area.

Agreed.

> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:23:08 +0100, Devon H. O'Dell
> <dodell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I've started a wiki for pretty much All Things DragonFly BSD. No, wait,
> > stop! I know there are already Wikis for other internal projects
> > (installer, GoBSD, etc); I know there are other resources. Why one more?
> > Several reasons:
>
>
> GoBSD is not an internal project.  It is a community that is
> developing to help users understand the concepts behind DragonFlyBSD
> and improve usability.  The web space is sponsored by Crescent Anchor,
> but that is the end of any "internal" control of it.  This is like
> saying that the dfwiki you have created is internal because it is
> hosted by sitetronics, which is associated with offmyserver.

It's actually not associated with Offmyserver anymore; the webpage is 
out of date and I haven't had time to update it. GoBSD as I understand 
it from the webpage is a company owned by David Rhodus which works on 
the advocacy and development of DragonFly BSD as well as internal 
projects (which I assumed the GoBSD ``distribution'' was). I am clearly 
in error with my assumption.

> >  o    At the moment, there isn't really a central page which organizes
> > these other online (and offline) resources that have been made for
> > DragonFly BSD.
>
>
> True, but why not put everything on one place?  We have created a help
> wiki, hoping pepole would contribute, but there have been no
> contributions so far.  Feel free to create another wiki for whatever
> you would like.  Whomever shows desire to work on GoBSD can be given
> moderator/administrator access and keep new content coming to the
> site.

I signed up on GoBSD when it was announced on the lists months ago and 
haven't looked at it since. In this sense, I haven't been aware of any 
goals of GoBSD.

> >  o    I'm starting my work on the ``Developing for DragonFly BSD with
> > the C programming language" document that was recently discussed in the
> > ``learning dragonfly or C'' thread on kernel@.
>
>
> This would be a perfect use of GoBSD, since this document would help
> clarify information for users of DragonFlyBSD, and help attract new
> users.

The C book was a project that I wanted to start since I read the thread 
on the list. Again, I wasn't aware that GoBSD was a place to do this.

> >  o    To give (interested) developers a central place to put
> > information about what they're doing (and what's still on their plate).
>
>
> If you look through the blogs on GoBSD you will see that it is the
> case that several developers have posted about what they are working
> on.  Why make them choose to have two places to go?

I wasn't aware that this was a purpose of GoBSD. Looking at it, it seems 
the ``several developers'' who post there (recently) are also directly 
connected with Crescent Anchor.

> > There are more uses for the Wiki, and if I thought for a couple more
> > minutes, I'd probably be able to actually think of several more good
> > ones, but this email's just mostly to let people know of its existance.
> > So if you've got anything to feed the Wiki, please do!
> >
> > I know Wikis aren't always everybody's favorite things. This one is
> > running MediaWiki, the same software that Wikipedia & co use as well. I
> > find it to be pretty decent. YMMV.
> >
> > --Devon
>
>
> In summary, GoBSD IS DragonFlyBSD.  We are simply trying to evangelize
> it and help end users, which seems to be what you want to do, so why
> work on GoBSD?
>
> -todd[1]

Why not work on GoBSD, I guess you mean? I'll reiterate; I wasn't aware 
that it was a mainstream source for placing that kind of information, so 
I created my own. I'm not trying to make it difficult for users to 
choose where to post information, and at this point (and I don't mean to 
be derogatory, cynical or callous) it doesn't look like other users know 
that GoBSD is a place to post that information, judging from the 
activity I see. Additionally, I'm personally not fond of the stream of 
negative comments David Rhodus makes about the FreeBSD project, its 
goals and its members. Differences in opinion are acceptible, but 
there's no need to be sarcastic and passively agressive of their goals, 
achievements, and / or members.

At this point, I've done a lot of work on the C book, and I don't want 
to lose the revisions to it. I don't have any problem with people 
contributing to GoBSD, I just don't think anybody (who I talked to on 
IRC) was really aware that it was meant for those purposes.

I created the Wiki mostly for my own project (which I'd like to host in 
any case), so if everybody else contributes what they've added to mine 
over in GoBSD, I'm certainly fine with that.

Again, I don't / didn't mean to be stepping on anybody's toes.

--Devon